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The Remnant with Jonah Goldberg

When the Right Went Woke

The Remnant with Jonah Goldberg

The Dispatch

Politics, News

4.6 • 6.3K Ratings

🗓️ 27 March 2025

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

It’s fan-favorite week at Casa de Remnant.Jonah Goldberg is joined by Thomas Chatterton Williams, staff writer at The Atlantic and fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, to discuss illiberalism on the right, dole out some sympathy for the most ardent defenders of wokeness, and dig into Thomas’ upcoming book, Summer of Our Discontent: The Age of Certainty and the Demise of Discourse. Show Notes: —Thomas’ piece in The Atlantic: “How the Woke Right Replaced the Woke Left” —Musa al-Gharbi on The Remnant —Jonah’s “Critical Trump Theory” —Woke chili The Remnant is a production of The Dispatch, a digital media company covering politics, policy, and culture from a non-partisan, conservative perspective. To access all of The Dispatch’s offerings—including Jonah’s G-File newsletter, regular livestreams, and other members-only content—click here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Daniel Jiggan!

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Greetings your listeners, this is Jonah Goldberg, host of the Remnant podcast, not the editor-in-chief

1:32.1

of The Atlantic. And this is brought to you by Dispatch Media, not the Atlantic. And great to have you

1:38.1

here. And today we have a very popular guest. He's hard to nail down. I think he walks the earth

1:44.0

like cane. At least that's the impression. I think he walks the earth like cane.

1:45.0

At least that's the impression that I get.

1:47.5

And, you know, when you go into these weird backwaters in various places, you'll see a campfire just smoldering a bit.

1:54.1

And you can say, aha, Chatterden Williams was here.

1:58.9

So my guest today is Thomas Chatterton Williams. He is a non-resident fellow at

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