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When the President Sues the Government He Controls

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🗓️ 9 June 2026

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

The Anti-Weaponization Fund started as a $10 billion lawsuit Trump filed against the IRS in his personal capacity and ended as a $1.776 billion slush fund with no appeals, no transparency, and a tax immunity addendum that looks a lot like a self-pardon. Tad DeHaven and Daniel Greenberg join Molly Nixon to unpack what happened and why it should alarm everyone.

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0:00.0

Hello everyone. Welcome to the Kato podcast. I'm Molly Nixon's senior fellow and executive power here at the Kato Institute.

0:12.0

This is Dan Greenberg. I'm also senior legal fellow at Kato, and I'm coming to you from Kato's podcast studio.

0:18.1

And I'm Tad de Haven. I'm a policy analyst in general economics.

0:23.0

Today we are going to be talking about the anti-weaponization fund, which came out of a settlement

0:28.5

of President Donald Trump's lawsuit brought in his personal capacity against the IRS in connection

0:33.9

with an IRS contractor's unlawful disclosure of his private tax information.

0:39.0

What is the fund? How would it work? Is it legal? And is it now dead? And if so, should we still be

0:46.8

concerned about it? And to start, let's go to TAD. And maybe you could set some background here. What is the anti-weaponization fund and what does it do?

0:58.3

So the anti-weaponization fund is a rather unique agreement that was struck between the president's

1:08.2

Justice Department in regards to a lawsuit, a $10 billion lawsuit that the president

1:16.0

has pursued on the basis that his tax returns were improperly released and therefore

1:24.9

he deserves redress. They decided the administration that instead of pursuing

1:31.0

actual money back for themselves, for their family, for the Trump organization, that instead

1:37.1

they would create a giant fund, this fund being used to pay out those who bring claims that they were victims of weaponization by the government.

1:50.8

The price tag is $1.766 billion.

1:56.5

The administration says that this number was arrived at on the basis of what they calculated to be the volume of claims that they'd be paying out.

2:06.4

But of course, 1.776 also happens to match 1776, which points to some sort of effort to paint this as in conjunction with our nation's founding.

2:20.9

Probably not, but this is also part of a longer trend, a hallmark of this administration,

2:28.2

where the president repeatedly seeks to have slush funds created for them. This goes back to the beginning of the

2:36.6

administration with the president desiring a giant federal investment fund made up with taxpayer

2:43.3

money, that he himself would be allowed to invest across the United States. That has started to

2:50.3

play out over the course of the last year with the

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