who would invite willingly illness or loss into their lives.

Invariably, they felt more gratitude on the other side of their change experiences.

And how ironic is that?

They've just gone through the hardest moment of their lives,

but they are grateful, deeply grateful, rooted in gratitude in a way that felt elusive prior to the change,

in a way they hadn't before.

And in addition to that, they feel immense gratitude for the person that they have become,

which is in their minds a wiser, more enlightened version of them, that they did not feel they

could become otherwise.

Hello, everybody. It's Guy Kawasaki and we have found another remarkable person for you. Her name is Maya Shanker. And I got to tell you something. Oh my God, the academic credentials of this guest. I mean, she's like Stanford, Oxford, Yale. My God. She's a cognitive

scientist. She's a former White House senior advisor. And these days, it's got to be very specific

when you say a White House senior advisor because depending on which administration you advise,

it could be very good or very bad. So she was Obama.

It was Obama advisor. And she has a great podcast called A Slight Change of Plans. And that's the topic.

Her work basically explores how people adapt and change to life's disruptions,

and she has a great new book, The Other Side of Change. And that's coming out right now, right?

Yes.

Is it your first book?

It's my first book. And you're totally right. And the book is out this week, so it's very exciting.

Oh, that's so exciting.

The release of a book is the closest thing for a man to give birth to a baby.

That's as close as a man can get, I just want you to know.

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