It's Thursday, May 29th. I'm Jane Koston, and this is what a day.

The show wondering what being trapped on a Delta flight from Minneapolis, Minnesota to Madison, Wisconsin must have been like for two pigeons.

Being a bird, trapped on an airplane must be profoundly confusing, is what I'm saying.

Music confusing is what I'm saying. On today's show, it's Pardon Palizza over at the White House.

And Elon Musk says President Donald Trump's big, beautiful bill undermines the work he did at Doge.

Sad. But let's start out by talking about conspiracy theories and the people who believe them.

I've reported on conspiracy theorists in their ideas for years. And before Cash Patel, Dan Bonjino,

and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. were prominent members of the Trump administration, as director of the FBI,

deputy director of the FBI, and Secretary of Health and Human Services, respectively, they were

conspiracy theorists. And now the conspiracies they pushed are coming back to haunt them,

in the sense that their fans are very upset that now that these men are in power, they're not doing

more about the

conspiracies they pushed to get there.

Tick Patel, who was on with Fox News's Brett Baer late Wednesday.

He was asked for what feels like the millionth time to explain why he believes financier and

sex offender Jeffrey Epstein died by suicide, despite for years raising questions about the case,

and why government officials weren't releasing what he called the Epstein files. Patel seemed annoyed about the whole thing.

But there is a lot of conspiracy theories out there. There are. The Epstein thing, you dealt with

Maria, you said, as far as you know, he killed himself. I'm telling you he killed himself.

He's telling you.

Bongino is facing the same problem.

Before he became Patel's deputy at the FBI,

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