When Submission Becomes Abuse: Beth Moore Speaks Out
The Deep End With Lecrae
Lecrae
4.8 • 602 Ratings
🗓️ 4 September 2025
⏱️ 68 minutes
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Summary
Beth Moore sits down with Lecrae on The Deep End Podcast for a raw and powerful conversation about faith, suffering, courage, and the cost of conviction. From her early years teaching Bible studies to leaving the Southern Baptist Convention, Beth opens up about abuse, submission, women in ministry, and why she could no longer stay silent about politics and power in the church.
In this episode, Beth shares how she stayed anchored in Jesus through controversy, how her marriage survived trauma and trials, and how she's finding new belonging in the Anglican church. This is a conversation about faithfulness in the wilderness, the danger of marrying church and empire, and the unshakable hope we have in Christ.
If you've ever wrestled with doubt, tradition, or feeling unwanted by the church—you're not alone. Beth Moore's story is a reminder that following Jesus sometimes means standing against the tide.
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| 0:00.0 | Beth Moore. |
| 0:00.8 | Accused the SBC of systemic racism and sexism, teaching to mixed audiences of men and women. |
| 0:06.6 | And not allowing women to preach. |
| 0:08.3 | That's an abuse of power? |
| 0:10.3 | Is that what a biblical church is, keeping up with society? |
| 0:13.2 | She's come out against Trump before. |
| 0:14.9 | She's out of her mind. |
| 0:15.9 | Politics is not my thing. |
| 0:17.6 | The only reason I ever spoke out was because of what I felt was going to be |
| 0:24.9 | cataclysmic to the church. Christian leaders in a huddle with what I felt like was one |
| 0:32.9 | of the most dangerous, self-centered, egomaniacs, power-driven people I had ever seen on the large stage. |
| 0:41.6 | I was offended. |
| 0:43.1 | Yeah. |
| 0:43.4 | I, no, that's not an astronaut work. |
| 0:45.5 | I was flat out scandalized. |
| 0:48.4 | Yeah. |
| 0:49.0 | I was scandalized by it. |
| 0:50.8 | I'll just be honest, transparently for myself, there was a time where I remember my wife, |
| 0:55.7 | she was going through one of your studies, and I was listening to it. And I was like, I can't listen |
| 0:59.6 | to this because this is too good. Because the faith tradition that I had grown up in was telling me |
| 1:05.6 | I could not receive this type of instruction from a woman. When it came clear to me in the really conservative part of my denomination, that the whole |
| 1:18.6 | idea of submission was not that it was biblical, wait a second. |
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