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Moral Maze

When should we be grateful?

Moral Maze

BBC

Society & Culture, Religion & Spirituality

4.5609 Ratings

🗓️ 6 March 2025

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has expressed his "gratitude" for US military support. It comes after the heated exchange in the Oval Office, where President Trump and Vice-President Vance told Zelensky he was not thankful enough. Cicero referred to gratitude as "the parent of all virtues", but like all virtues, it plays a complex role in our moral life.

Ancient philosophers like the stoics and modern positive psychologists agree that recognising what we have rather than longing for what we don’t have can reduce anxiety and foster happiness. Expressing gratitude, they say, helps to build trust and deepens bonds between people, creating a sense of community and reciprocity. In difficult times, gratitude can provide perspective, allowing individuals to focus on what matters rather than being overwhelmed by hardship.

Gratitude sceptics, however, think that a perpetual state of thankfulness might not be that good for us. An over-emphasis on gratitude, they suggest, can make people passive and discourage ambition or protest in situations that demand change in our lives. The idea of a ‘thankless task’ implies that the absence of gratitude is sometimes necessary for virtue to exist. When gratitude is socially expected, it can damage relationships; it can feel transactional and forced rather than sincere, making it a tool for control and manipulation rather than authentic appreciation.

Whether expressing thanks is healthy or not depends on the circumstances, which requires discernment. So when should we be grateful?

Chair: Michael Buerk Producer: Dan Tierney Assistant producer: Peter Everett Editor: Tim Pemberton

Panel: Mona Siddiqui Tim Stanley Sonia Sodha Anne McElvoy

Witnesses: Annette Kellow Mark Vernon Susie Masterson Julian Baggini

Transcript

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0:05.0

Good evening. The Romans called gratitude the mother of all the virtues.

0:10.0

President Trump, come to think of it, a rather Roman figure in some ways,

0:14.5

used the perceived lack of it to create the mother of all diplomatic spats,

0:18.9

which ended with the Ukrainian leader being kicked out of the

0:21.6

White House. President Zelensky, it seems, had been insufficiently thankful for America's help in the war

0:27.4

with Russia. That aid has now been suspended. The fortunes of war have turned sharply against Ukraine,

0:33.8

and the whole world order looks in ruins. On the face of it, a high price to pay for the lack of two little words.

0:40.9

Psychologists and philosophers are divided on gratitude. Some see it as the key to happiness,

0:46.3

focusing on what you have, not what you want. Others see it in the negative, an antidote to ambition,

0:52.3

passive acceptance dressed up as politeness.

0:55.5

How much of it is transactional or forced or form without substance?

1:00.4

How much the grace notes of a good life?

1:03.7

When should we be grateful?

1:05.7

That's our moral maze tonight, the panel, the Observe Economist Sonia Soda,

1:09.8

and McElvoy, executive editor with the

1:11.7

News and Commentary Site Politico, Mona Siddiqui, Professor of Islamic and Inter-Religious Studies

1:16.8

at Edinburgh University, and the historian Tim Stanley.

1:20.5

Mona, you're grateful to be here, of course.

1:22.7

I'm extremely grateful to be here and grateful that you're chairing, Michael.

1:26.4

But as a person of faith, I think gratitude is really important to me.

1:30.5

I mean, faith is gratitude.

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