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The Unspeakeasy With Meghan Daum

When Queer Theory Meets Medical Practice: Aaron Kimberly On The Crisis In Transgender Health Care

The Unspeakeasy With Meghan Daum

Meghan Daum

Society & Culture

4.7 • 855 Ratings

🗓️ 24 January 2022

⏱️ 98 minutes

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Summary

Aaron Kimberly is a mental health clinician with longtime experience providing care to transgender and gender questioning patients. He is also a trans man who made his transition fifteen years ago. In recent years, he has been speaking out against what has become the prevailing wisdom and standard protocol in transgender medicine: that people identifying as transgender, even adolescents and sometimes children, effectively "know who they are" and have a right to begin hormone therapy without comprehensive psychological assessment. Known as the affirmative care model, this approach has been promoted by activists and largely embraced by the medical establishment and the mainstream media. In many cases, the alliance with that approach comes from a fear of being labeled transphobic or of "gatekeeping." But as listeners of The Unspeakable know, the issue is far more layered and complex than the many people in general public—and even many well-meaning health care providers—realize. On the heels of a January 13, 2022 New York Times story, which for the first time gave credence to the idea that the affirmative care model might not be the best approach for young people (and which featured two time Unspeakable guest Dr. Laura Edwards-Leeper), Meghan returns to the topic to speak with Aaron about what's gone awry in gender medicine and why so few people have been willing to talk about it.

Guest Bio:
Aaron Kimberly is (by his own terms) a transsexual man, born female with a rare ovotesticular intersex condition. He's worked as a mental health clinician since 2008 in hospital and community settings. In 2021 he founded the Gender Dysphoria Alliance to educate about different types of gender dysphoria from an evidence base, without the lens of political ideology. He is also co-host of the Transparency podcast.

Transcript

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0:00.0

I think we've made a huge mistake turning this all into queer theory as a queer theory

0:09.0

movement rather than a science-based medical understanding of gender dysphoria because it's

0:17.0

because there's not everyone is ever going to agree with queer theory.

0:26.5

And so it seems like we've built this whole castle onto sand, right?

0:30.5

Whereas I know people don't, they say, well, we don't want to pathologize this.

0:31.9

We don't want to stigmatize it.

0:34.6

But there's lots of conditions out there.

0:42.0

And our goal is to educate and destigmatize certain conditions,

0:45.3

not completely deny that the condition exists.

0:48.1

And I just, so I'm just curious.

0:55.3

Like, I think it would do all of us a lot of good if we could just land on what do we know about this? What is it as a clinical condition and not define it according to any political movement or ideology?

1:08.1

Welcome to the unspeakable podcast. I'm your host, Megan Down. My guest, whose voice you just heard,

1:14.6

is mental health advocate and clinician Aaron Kimberly. I'm going to introduce Aaron properly in a

1:20.3

second, but first I want to offer some context for this conversation and explain why I'm releasing it

1:27.4

this week. If you're familiar with this podcast,

1:30.4

you know it's not one of those podcasts with the big monologue before the interview, but I am going to do

1:36.2

a sort of mini monologue to frame this up. So I'll say that if you want to go right to the interview,

1:41.8

you can skip ahead now about eight minutes.

1:46.2

Okay, so last week, there was an article in the New York Times that probably didn't make a big

1:51.9

splash among the general reading public, but there was a huge deal for people who closely

1:57.4

follow the subject it was covering. That subject is one I've discussed on the

2:02.3

podcast several times, treatment protocols for young people who identify as transgender and come

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