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The Unspeakeasy With Meghan Daum
Meghan Daum
4.7 • 855 Ratings
🗓️ 19 February 2026
⏱️ 32 minutes
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Summary
A special solo episode! Now out from behind the paywall.
As a recent bonus episode for subscribers, Meghan recorded some thoughts about a media dustup that was making her head explode. In the wake of the latest Epstein document dump, a smaller, unrelated story emerged a few weeks ago that carried some of the same themes. It involved New York Times columnist Ross Douthat's decision not to air an interview he recorded with journalist Seth Harp for his podcast Interesting Times.
After Harp accused Douthat of spiking the episode out of cowardice, a chorus of online commenters demanded the tape be released anyway—raw, unedited, or handed over to the guest—so "the people" could decide.
What interested Meghan wasn't who won a debate no one heard, but the apparently widespread belief that audiences are entitled to everything that gets recorded, regardless of editorial judgment. To her, this seems bonkers, but a surprising number of people seem not to realize that interviews get scrapped all the time. She's done it herself, and she explains some of the circumstances that led to it. This episode also contains a painful personal story about Fresh Air with Terry Gross. Get out your hankies.
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to the Unspeak Easy podcast. I'm your host, Megan Down. This is another solo episode. |
| 0:15.4 | I have some thoughts lately I wanted to share with you. At the time of this recording, and I'm recording this on February |
| 0:23.5 | 8th, the main story of the last several days have been the release of the Jeffrey Epstein files. |
| 0:30.7 | A massive tranche of documents has been delivered. I love that word tranch. It's like something Sarah Palin would name one of her kids. |
| 0:39.9 | You know, these are my son's trig, track, and trance. That's not an insult, by the way. I kind of dig the |
| 0:46.4 | names of her kids. Anyway, three and a half million pages of documents, many names named, many, many typos, many people revealed to be, |
| 0:59.6 | if not child molesters, at least very bad spellers. |
| 1:04.6 | But that's not really what this is about. |
| 1:07.3 | I'm going to discuss that in a separate episode. |
| 1:09.6 | I'm going to bring back my former |
| 1:11.3 | special place in hell podcast partner, Sarah Hater, and we're going to talk about that very soon. |
| 1:16.9 | This solo episode is about a much smaller story, something that is kind of a tempest in a teapot, |
| 1:23.5 | but that I think has some thematic links to the Epstein files and what they say about |
| 1:30.9 | public demand for information, insistence that everything be released. |
| 1:39.3 | If it exists somewhere, it is only right that it be available everywhere. |
| 1:45.0 | So there's a controversy happening in media land involving the podcast of New York Times columnist Ross Douthit. |
| 1:52.7 | The podcast is called Interesting Times. |
| 1:55.5 | I like it a lot. |
| 1:56.5 | I think Ross is a great interviewer, but that's not the point here. |
| 2:00.0 | Last month, Ross recorded an interview with a guy named Seth Harp. |
| 2:05.2 | I wasn't too familiar with Harp. |
| 2:06.9 | He is the author of a book called the Fort Bragg Cartel, which includes some really shocking |
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