Mark, would you say we're shifting more toward performance rather than ministry? And what's a

difference between performance and ministry? What is the difference? And that was going to be one of

the questions that I was going to raise, right? Because we have pastors that are turning into performers,

and you have congregations that are turning into audiences. And you have these pastors,

these performers, behind the pulpit that are more interested in likes and follows,

and what I'm giving is going to be a good clip. First Thessalonians 2-4, we speak not to please men,

but to please God who tests our hearts. So we are not speaking to an audience, we're speaking to

a congregation, people that have real issues

and they want real answers to what they're going through. Stick to the text. Stick to the text

and you're going to be just fine. One of the other things that I see is these churches that

originally called themselves biblical, who still call themselves biblical churches that they focus on God's

word, now you see them bringing

people on and like their qualification if we're really being on like as a guest speaker and their

qualification if we're really being honest is that they have 100,000 followers on social media

they're not like they're not they're not seasoned biblical preachers but really it's kind of a form of virtue signaling.

Well, they stand for this or they stand for that, and so we're going to have them on,

and I'm going to give them the pulpit on Sunday, where historically the pulpit was a sacred place

for people to preach God's word.

And I think one of the big dangers, one of the big dangers is that ultimately

what's happening for these pastors and these preachers is that they're forgetting that their

primary audience is God. When we prepare a sermon, if we start thinking first and foremost,

how can I get a laugh? How can I have the best memorable metaphor

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