Hello, dear listener and welcome back to Owning at the Anxiety Podcast with me, your host and author

of Everything I Wish I'd known about anxiety, Caroline Forin. This week, my focus is on the subject of

PDA, which is very close to my heart and close to home for us as my son fits the PDA profile.

That is pathological demand avoidance and it's a neurotype within autism. The reason I want to

focus on it is because the intersection

between PDA and anxiety is not insignificant. For the longest time, we were told that our son was

just anxious and that anxiety was the thing we needed to focus on. But what do you do or how do you

approach it or how do you know when there's something more

going on under the hood pda has also taught me a lot when it comes to nervous system and anxiety in

general and that is really anxiety is is your nervous system not looking to harm you but looking

for safety and signals of safety and sometimes the best thing we can do is not to push ourselves, but looking for safety and signals of safety. And sometimes the best thing we can do

is not to push ourselves more, but to demand a little bit less of ourselves. So there's a huge

overlap between anxiety and PDA. And here I'm joined by Dr. Casey Ellrix, who runs the at-piece

parents page. She's phenomenal. She's like my go-to person for all things, PDA. And if this is something

you suspect you might fit or your child does or your child is already known to have a PDA profile

or you think there's something more than anxiety at play in your household, this is the episode for

you. Thank you so much to Casey and thank you for listening.

Casey, thank you so much for joining me on Owning It the Anxiety podcast.

It's so lovely to have you here.

Yeah, thank you for inviting me.

I'm excited.

I am a huge fan personally and your extremely popular platform at Peace Parents has just been a godsend for me and to so many

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