When is a Car "Safe Enough?" w/ Philip Koopman

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🗓️ 25 January 2024

⏱️ 88 minutes

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When is a car "safe enough"? Turns out it's not such a simple answer. From a lack of software oversight to self-certification issues to more recalls (from every company) than you could imagine, building cars is challenging, especially as ADAS systems get more common and complicated. Phil Koopman is an Associate Professor at Carnegie Mellon University in the Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering. In the car realm, he is the writer of Safe Autonomy blog, covering self-driving technology. His new book, "How Safe is Safe Enough? Measuring and Predicting Autonomous Vehicle Safety", analyzes the alleged safety improvements that autonomous cars will provide. https://safeautonomy.blogspot.com/ https://safeautonomy.blogspot.com/2022/09/book-how-safe-is-safe-enough-measuring.html Massive list of recalls: https://betterembsw.blogspot.com/p/potentially-deadly-automotive-software.html Recorded January 16, 2024 Say goodbye to harsh smoke and coughing attacks by shopping the smoothest pipes, bubblers, bongs and more at https://www.thefreezepipe.com and use code TIRE for 10% off your entire order. Want your question answered? To listen to the episode the day it's recorded? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! Enter code TSTPOD for a 10% discount on your first case on the Off The Record app, or go to http://www.offtherecord.com/TST. Tweet at us! https://www.Twitter.com/thesmokingtire https://www.Twitter.com/zackklapman Instagram: https://www.Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www.Instagram.com/therealzackklapman Click here for the most honest car reviews out there: https://www.youtube.com/thesmokingtire

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0:00.0	Often injuries often fatalities all the surprisingly a lot of times it's just a bunch of near misses that yeah I prefer that
0:06.4	They issue recall it gets fixed okay but none of that has anything to do with the computer, let's call it computer safety.
0:15.9	Some people call it software safety, but it's really the computer and the software.
0:19.6	None of that has to do the software safety.
0:21.0	So none of the automated steering, none of that stuff is covered by
0:26.2	these regulations in the slightest, even electronic throttle control. Remember the Toyota
0:30.8	intended acceleration stuff from well?
0:32.6	None of that is covered by FMVSS.
0:35.6	So car companies can do whatever they want.
0:38.6	And of enough crashes pile up, NHTSA takes a look,
0:41.9	but they don't actually, as far as I've ever heard,
0:45.4	they don't actually look at the software, they just tell the manufacturer you got a problem,
0:49.1	go fix it, and sometimes the manufacturer says we have a software problem, and sometimes they don't.
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