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When Headaches Are Ruining Your Life, Where Can You Turn?

Science Friday

Science Friday and WNYC Studios

Life Sciences, Wnyc, Science, Earth Sciences, Natural Sciences, Friday

4.55.5K Ratings

🗓️ 13 August 2025

⏱️ 19 minutes

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Summary

In “The Headache,” a science journalist documents his quest to understand his own cluster headaches.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hey, it's Flora Lickman. You're listening to Science Friday.

0:06.9

Today in the podcast, headaches are so common, but how well do we understand them?

0:12.4

It's an invisible disorder. There's no biomarker. There's no test. There's no scan you can do that will prove that I have this thing. And so a lot of it is just a high

0:22.8

art of convincing someone.

0:29.3

If you've ever had a headache, and you probably have, you know it is not pleasant. But maybe

0:35.4

you pop some ibuprofen and it goes away. But for many people,

0:39.9

it's not so simple. A headache isn't just a one-off annoyance. It's an experience you organize your

0:46.5

life around. Because these headaches could last for days, they're so painful you can barely

0:52.0

withstand them, and they're largely untreatable.

0:55.7

That was the experience of my next guest who went on a reporting journey to solve his own headache disorder.

1:02.2

Tom Zeller Jr., editor-in-chief of Undark, and author of the new book, The Headache,

1:06.7

The Science of a Most Confounding Affliction, and a Search for Relief.

1:11.0

He's based in Montana.

1:12.6

Tom, welcome to Science Friday.

1:14.1

It's great to be here, Flora.

1:15.3

Thanks for having me.

1:16.5

Let's start with your personal story.

1:18.0

When did the headache start for you?

1:20.3

Yeah.

1:20.9

For me, they started in my early 20s, which is fairly typical for the flavor of headache that I get, the headache disorder I have,

1:30.3

which is called cluster headache, and sort of tormented me for the next roughly 30 years.

1:36.1

They are starting to dissipate as I get older, but it's been a journey.

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