4.6 • 7.6K Ratings
🗓️ 23 July 2021
⏱️ 32 minutes
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Radiolab producer Rachael Cusick talks together with her grandmother about their shared loss, and about their experiences with Elisabeth Kübler-Ross's five stages of grief.
Listen to Rachael's Radiolab episode "The Queen of Dying," about the story and legacy of Elisabeth Kübler-Ross.
And read Rachael Cusick's Modern Love essay for The New York Times, about her relationship with her grandmother.
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0:00.0 | If you feel like screaming is scream, if you feel like crying you cry, don't try to follow |
0:06.5 | a textbook or have somebody else tell you what to do. |
0:10.5 | Trust yourself for your own natural emotions. |
0:17.6 | This is Death, Sex and Money. |
0:21.5 | The show from WNYC about the things we think about a lot, we need to talk about more. |
0:27.5 | I'm Anna Sao. |
0:37.6 | And that voice you heard at the top there was psychiatrist Elizabeth Kubler Ross in an |
0:42.5 | interview with Oprah back in 1980. |
0:45.8 | And her words don't try to follow a textbook when it comes to dealing with loss. |
0:50.6 | Might sound a little odd, coming from the woman who was best known for writing the literal |
0:55.7 | textbook on grief. |
0:57.9 | It's a 1969 book called On Death and Dying. |
1:01.6 | And in it, she shared these conversations that she had been having with dying people, |
1:06.2 | like literal transcripts of these interviews. |
1:09.9 | This is my colleague Rachel Qsick. |
1:12.1 | She works for the show Radio Lab. |
1:13.8 | And for the past year or so, Rachel's been working on a piece all about Elizabeth Kubler |
1:18.8 | Ross and her most famous legacy, The Five Stages of grief. |
1:23.2 | You've probably heard them before, denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance. |
1:29.8 | These stages of grief Rachel found really evolved over the years. |
1:34.0 | They actually started out as the five stages of dying, which Elizabeth Kubler Ross wrote |
1:39.1 | about in her book. |
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