When Grace and Drugs Share the Same Album

The Esau McCaulley Podcast

Esau McCaulley

Society & Culture, Religion & Spirituality

5.0 • 1.1K Ratings

🗓️ 17 July 2025

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

A controversial new IRS regulation just opened the door for churches to endorse political candidates from the pulpit. Esau McCaulley and Justin Giboney weigh in on if this a win for religious freedom, a threat to the church's public witness, or just business as usual? Then they unpack the unexpected reunion of hip-hop duo The Clipse. One brother found faith. The other kept rapping about dealing drugs. So what happens when grace and drug bars share the same tracklist? Can Christian artists operate in secular spaces without compromise?

Plus: Black vs. African American, summer recommendations, and is Mike secretly the voice of the Bible Project?

0:00 - Theme Song

1:52 - Churches Endorsing Candidates

14:50 - African American or Black?

17:05 - Sponsor - No Small Endeavor - Award-winning podcast where theologians, philosophers, and best-selling authors talk about faith with Lee C. Camp. Start listening today: https://pod.link/1513178238

24:40 - Is Mike the Bible Project guy?

26:35 - Drugs and Gospel on the Same Album

41:11 - Summer Plans

45:00 - End Credits

Don't Let Nobody Turn You Around: How the Black Church's Public Witness Leads Us out of the Culture War by Justin Giboney: https://a.co/d/cMMUHlQ

Transcript

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0:00.0	Welcome to the Easton McCauley podcast.
0:08.0	I'm your host, Issaa McCauley.
0:09.5	Today we're joined by producer Mike.
0:11.7	Mike, you ready?
0:12.8	I'm ready.
0:13.4	I'm nervous.
0:14.4	You're nervous.
0:14.9	You should be.
0:15.8	You know, one of the cool things.
0:16.9	We also have Justin on the podcast, Justin Gibmanee, President, CEO of the campaign, what is the title? President, yeah, President Executive Director. And author of the forthcoming book, Don't Let Nobody Turn You Around. Is that available for pre-order wherever people buy books? Yes, it is. Check it out on Amazon for sure. Yes, And I have read it. It's going to bless the body of
0:38.5	Christ. Please buy that book. Now, one of the things I'm super excited about is that we exist here
0:43.2	at Holy Post. We're adding new new stuff, right? So you can buy swag. And I walked into the office
0:49.6	today. And they said, Esau, you have your own cup. This is going to be excited.
0:54.5	Caitlin has a cup.
0:56.0	Sky has a cup.
0:57.5	And they said your cup is downstairs.
0:59.7	I walk downstairs to the studio and who asked my cup and who is drinking water out of it?
1:06.7	Mike.
1:08.0	And I'm just like, what are you?
1:09.9	For those of you who are listening to the podcast, Mike literally stole my cup and drank it. Drink out of it. Go ahead. What do you want to say? It's not your cup. It literally has my name on it. It's the logo of the podcast, which I've been meaning to talk to you about. Okay. What do you want to say? I just think maybe we could incorporate like a chef's hat into it.
1:30.3	Okay.
1:46.8	Something related to me. You see where it says, I'm going to call it the M. Yeah. That also means Mike too. So you in there. Yes, you can put it in. Well, today on the podcast, we have a lot of topics. Two of them, Mike is super excited about. We'll start with the easy one. We're going to talk
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