When Disney Becomes the Classroom: Teaching Magic, Strategy, and Imagination (Ep. 554)

The Disney Dish with Jim Hill

Jim Hill Media Podcast Network

Places & Travel, Leisure, Society & Culture

4.8 • 1.1K Ratings

🗓️ 20 October 2025

⏱️ 78 minutes

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This week, Len and Jim welcome Dr. Jill Peterfeso from Guilford College to talk about her new book Why the Magic Matters: Discovering Disney as a Laboratory for Learning. The conversation explores how Disney is studied in college classrooms, how its mix of “magic and strategy” reveals deeper lessons about creativity and culture, and why professors are turning theme parks into teaching tools. Plus, Jim continues his history of Disney Springs with the rise and fall of Pleasure Island’s West Side expansion and what that meant for future Disney retail and dining districts. How professors are using Disney films, parks, and history to teach everything from religion to marketing The balance of “magic and strategy” that makes Disney both creative and calculated Surprising college courses inspired by Disney, from theme park architecture to environmental storytelling Why Epcot’s Remy’s Ratatouille Adventure is removing 3D effects and what it could mean for other attractions New Universal Orlando test for single attraction Express Passes and how guests are reacting Universal Kids Park in Texas reveals themed lands for Shrek, Trolls, and SpongeBob The forgotten Hyperion Wharf project that led to Disney Springs’ modern design From academia to Pleasure Island, this episode connects the art of learning with the business of magic. Whether you’re a Disney scholar, park historian, or just love a good origin story, this one’s packed with imagination and insight. SHOW NOTES Unlocked Magic Unlocked Magic, powered by DVC Rental Store and DVC Resale Market, offers exclusive Disney & Universal ticket savings with TRUSTED service and authenticity. With over $10 MILLION in ticket sales, use Unlocked Magic to get the BIGGEST SAVINGS. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Learn More⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:30.0	Welcome back to another edition of the Disney Dish podcast with Jim Hill. It's me,
0:34.1	Lentesta, and this is our show for the week of Shmurs Day, October 20th,
0:37.7	2025. On the show today, news. In listener questions, we tracked down a former
0:42.7	imaginerator to ask, what did you do? In surveys, we add the words, so we can charge money
0:48.2	for it next time, to the end of every Disney survey question. Plus, an interview with Jill
0:52.6	Peter Fesso about her new book, Why the Magic
0:54.7	Matters, discovering Disney as a laboratory for learning. In our main segment, Jim continues the
0:59.5	history of Disney Springs with a look at how the West Side has evolved, including the doomed
1:03.8	Hyperion Wharf concept. Let's get started by bringing in the man who's got two left feet
1:08.6	and a series of increasingly strident voicemails from
1:11.4	the local funeral home. It's Mr. Jim L. Jim, how's it going? It's going well, Len. And I have to say,
1:16.8	I am spending entirely too much time at funeral homes. Uh, you know, well, and part of that is because
1:24.8	Nancy teaches water aerobics and, unsuccessfully, is that where you're going to? Well, no part of that is because Nancy teaches water aerobics.
1:31.1	Unsuccessfully? Is that where you're going with this? Well, no, actually, actually quite successfully.
1:34.1	I mean, the little ladies who take their classes, her classes, 70 or 80-year-olds,
1:40.2	going like gangbusters, but to be honest, it's their spouses that are dropping like flies.
1:46.5	And so invariably, you know, once or twice a month, Nancy and I have to grow up because, again, these are her students and we have to be respectful.
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