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Galaxy Brain

When Chatbots Break Our Minds, With Kashmir Hill

Galaxy Brain

The Atlantic

Technology

4.6 • 1.1K Ratings

🗓️ 5 December 2025

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Summary

In this episode of Galaxy Brain, Charlie Warzel explores the strange, unsettling relationships some people are having with AI chatbots, as well as what happens when those relationships go off the rails. His guest is Kashmir Hill, a technology reporter at The New York Times who has spent the past year documenting what is informally called “AI psychosis.” These are long, intense conversations with systems such as ChatGPT that can spiral or trigger delusional beliefs, paranoia, and even self-harm. Hill walks through cases that range from the bizarre (one man’s supposed math breakthrough, a chatbot encouraging users to email her) to the tragic, including the story of 16-year-old Adam Raine, whose final messages were with ChatGPT before he died by suicide. How big is this problem? Is this actual psychosis or something different, like addiction? Hill reports on how OpenAI tuned ChatGPT to be more engaging—and more sycophantic—in the race for daily active users. In this conversation, Warzel and Hill wrestle with the uncomfortable parallels to the social-media era, the limits of “safety fixes,” and whether chatbots should ever be allowed to act like therapists. Hill also talks about how she uses AI in her own life, why she doesn’t want an AI best friend, and what it might mean for all of us to carry a personalized yes-man in our pocket. Get more from your favorite Atlantic voices when you subscribe. You’ll enjoy unlimited access to Pulitzer-winning journalism, from clear-eyed analysis and insight on breaking news to fascinating explorations of our world. Atlantic subscribers also get access to exclusive subscriber audio in Apple Podcasts. Subscribe today at TheAtlantic.com/Listener. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

When was the last time you indulged your desires, felt true Rangerover refinement? The last time you felt

0:05.6

total serenity, total confidence, no matter the terrain? Limitless, effortless, peerless. How far can

0:11.8

Rangerover take you? Rangerover, designed for distinction. The way I've been thinking about kind of the

0:16.4

delusion stuff is the way that some celebrities or billionaires have these sycophants around them

0:23.6

who tell them that every idea they have is brilliant.

0:27.6

And, you know, they're just surrounded by yes men.

0:31.4

What AI chatbots are is like your personal sycophant, your personal yes man that will tell

0:37.0

you like your every idea is brilliant.

0:45.5

I'm Charlie Warzel, and this is Galaxy Brain. For a long time, I've really struggled to come up

0:51.3

with a use for AI chatbots. I'm a writer, so I don't want it to write my

0:56.2

prose for me, and I don't trust it enough to let it do research assistant assignments for me.

1:02.5

And so for the most part, I just don't use them. And so not long ago, I came up with this idea

1:08.1

to try to use the chatbots. I wanted them to build a little bit of a

1:11.3

blog for me. I don't know how to code, and historically, chatbots are really competent coders,

1:16.7

so I asked it to help build me a rudimentary website from scratch. The process was not smooth at all.

1:24.7

Even though I told it I was a total novice, the steps were still kind of complicated.

1:29.3

I kept trying and failing to generate the results it wanted. Each time, though, the chatbot's

1:35.5

responses were patient, even flattering. It said, I was doing great, and then it blamed my

1:41.9

obvious errors on its own clumsiness.

1:48.7

After an hour of back and forth, trying and iterating,

1:53.7

with ChatGPT encouraging me all along the way, I got the code to work.

1:56.3

The bot offered up this slew of compliments.

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