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Galaxy Brain

How YouTube Ate Podcasts and TV, With Rachel Martin, Ashley Carman, and Derek Thompson

Galaxy Brain

The Atlantic

Technology

4.6 • 1.1K Ratings

🗓️ 12 December 2025

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

In this episode of Galaxy Brain, Charlie Warzel turns the camera on himself to ask a simple question: Why are you seeing his face?  Using YouTube’s takeover of podcasts as a starting point, he explores how video has devoured audio and turned podcasts into something closer to daytime TV and late-night talk shows. NPR’s Rachel Martin, host of the celebrity-interview show Wild Card, joins to talk about her own shift from intimate, audio-only conversations to highly visible video chats with mega-celebrities. She explains how the visual layer changes everything—from building trust with guests and audiences to deepening parasocial relationships, and why showing your face is necessary in a low-trust media world. To trace the business and cultural arc of this pivot, Bloomberg reporter Ashley Carman explains the rise and fall of the podcast “gold rush”—from the Serial era to Spotify’s billion-dollar bet, to the collapse of expensive narrative audio and YouTube’s emergence as a true power player. Then, writer and Plain English host Derek Thompson joins to explain his theory that “everything is television now.” Warzel and Thompson explore how short-form video, autoplay feeds, and video podcasts are reshaping our attention, our politics, and even our sense of self—turning podcasts into background “wallpaper” while nudging more of us into broadcasting our lives. Together, the conversations sketch a weird, slightly berserk future where video podcasts aren’t just a format—they’re a window into a lonelier, more fragmented, video-first culture. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

When was the last time you indulged your desires, felt true Rangerover refinement?

0:04.8

The last time you felt total serenity, total confidence, no matter the terrain?

0:09.0

Limitless, effortless, peerless.

0:11.2

How far can Rangerover take you?

0:13.1

Rangerover, designed for distinction.

0:15.2

Do you actually need to sit still by yourself and listen to your thoughts ever?

0:18.8

Like, is that good for you at all?

0:20.3

Should you just always choose to, like, download other people's thoughts inside of your brain so you're never stuck with the sort of, you know, sub-vocal questions of your own consciousness? I feel honest about this because I'm not sure that these are like familiar feelings. I feel like we're sort of being thrust into, again, a kind of like really unnatural experiment based on these technologies.

0:37.5

And given the changes in mental health over the last few decades, it's not entirely clear

0:42.7

to me.

0:43.7

It's surrounding ourselves with the constant, bombarding ourselves with the constant thoughts

0:46.8

for the people is particularly good for our sanity.

0:52.8

Hello and welcome to Galaxy Brain.

0:56.6

I'm Charlie Warzel.

0:57.8

And if you're watching this on YouTube, welcome to my face.

1:01.7

And apologies for my face, which is actually the subject of today's show.

1:07.7

Why are you seeing my face?

1:10.8

Or perhaps more appropriately, why did YouTube devour

1:14.4

podcasting? So as a technology reporter, one thing that I absolutely love is just being an

1:21.5

internet crash test dummy, right? But I think that there's no better way to understand a platform

1:26.8

than to try to make things and share

1:28.8

things on them.

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