In terms of having a highly unionized, more regulated capitalist system, yeah, I'm there with, I'm there with Jeremy and Liz Warren and the like.

I'm Bethany McLean.

Did you ever have a moment of doubt about capitalism and whether greed's a good idea?

And I'm Luigi Zengalis.

We have socialism for the very rich, rugged individualism for the poor.

And this is Capital Isn't, a podcast about what is working in capitalism.

First of all, tell me, is there some society you know that doesn't run on greed?

And most importantly, what isn't?

We ought to do better by the people that get left behind.

I don't think we shouldn't kill the capital system in the process.

Today, the prevailing form of capitalism is neoliberalism.

I think people would define neoliberalism as a set of beliefs and policy recommendations

that emphasize the use of market mechanisms to solve

most of society's problems and needs. In recent year, neoliberalism has been under attack from both

the left and the right. And I have to say, while the left-wing criticism of neoliberalists tend

to repeat the criticism that the left had for a long time, the right-wing criticisms tend to be

a bit more novel, or at least more surprising to me, which doesn't mean necessarily

better, but more interesting, at least I want to understand them better. For this reason,

in recent past, we have interviewed Oren Cass and Patrick Denin, two conservative critics

of near-liberlis. I actually thought it were done. When I start reading, Cass and Patrick Denin. Two conservative critics of neoliberalists.

I actually thought what Dan when I start reading a book by Sora Bamari called Tyranny Inc.

I find this fascinating, this development of neoliberalism and market skepticism on the right.

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