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Ted Talks Daily listeners. I'm Ted's head of media and curation, Helen Walters and today we're bringing you a special conversation

prompted by the recent meeting between President Biden and President

she-ping. I talked to political scientist Ianremmer for this far-ranging conversation

recorded on November the 20th, 2023. Enjoy and thanks for listening.

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Last week, US PresidentS. President Biden and Xi Jinping, the President of the People's Republic of China, met at the

Apex Summit in San Francisco. The meeting was notable for being the first time that she had visited the US in six years and the first time the two leaders have met in person in a year.

Now obviously what goes on between these two nations matters to everyone, so we found ourselves post summit with a bunch of

follow-up questions and we've turned to our resident geo-political expert Ian Bremmer

to help us understand what to pay attention to and why, Ian, hi.

Helen, good to be back with you.

Okay, so let's get right to it.

These are, alas, not peaceful times, and I think it's safe to say that the meeting between these two leaders felt perhaps even more momentous than it might have done were war not raging everywhere from the Middle East to Ukraine so tell us what happened in San Francisco and what's it out most to you.

Well look that is the backdrop that this is a world of unprecedented geopolitical danger and risk and the efforts are not in trying to make everything better.

It's rather to try to stop the existing conflicts from getting much worse.

And that is absolutely the macro focus that both President Biden and President

She bring to the meeting.

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