When are we going to take anti-semitism seriously (and actually do something about it?)
The Two Matts
The New World
4.2 • 577 Ratings
🗓️ 16 December 2025
⏱️ 66 minutes
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Summary
The Matts explore the issues thrown up by the dreadful massacre of Jews at Bondi Beach this week. When is a protest actually an act of violence? Why do we rush to talk of securing synagogues from attack rather than address the root problem of those attacks? How will our politicians get ahead of what is obviously a cycle of anti-Semitic violence against Jewish communities around the world that will be repeated over and over until something fundamental shifts? Also this week - what does Trump’s reaction to the murder of Rob and Michelle Reiner tell us about the state of US politics … and does it, ultimately, open up a possible escape from the madness? Enjoy!
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| 0:48.3 | I stole your line there, didn't I? |
| 0:51.3 | I threw you. |
| 0:52.3 | I know. |
| 0:53.3 | I know. It's cultural appropriation you. I know. I know. |
| 0:56.7 | It's cultural appropriation already. |
| 0:57.7 | It's not even Christmas. |
| 0:58.8 | We've got to that. Well, this is our penultimate show for the year. It is. Isn't it? Yeah. We're winding down, dear listeners. And I guess normally we would do a review the year, but I think in the light of the massacre in Bondi Beach, we have to talk about that a bit. |
| 1:14.6 | And I think we were both agreed that our friend Jonathan Friedland, who we were lucky enough to have on the podcast this year. |
| 1:21.8 | Do go back and listen to it. |
| 1:23.5 | Listen, if you haven't, was on really riveting form on News Night last night. |
| 1:28.7 | And let's have a blast of him. He said a lot, this is just a bit, and he's referring to an interview which just happened on Newsnight with Victoria Dobbshire and West Streeting. |
| 1:38.3 | The thing that surprised me that I pick up a lot of is anger, though. |
| 1:42.3 | And that is because these events, |
| 1:45.8 | Heaton Park, and now this one, are greeted with the same reaction. And it's very well-intentioned. |
| 1:51.3 | In a way you heard West Streeting refer to it, I think, in similar terms, which is, |
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