When A Border Wall Isn't Enough
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🗓️ 9 April 2019
⏱️ 13 minutes
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Summary
Nogales is the biggest port in Arizona, and has been a focal point of Trump’s increasingly aggressive tactics on the border. How do the president’s efforts to shut down the border change a place like Nogales?
Note: We first aired this episode on February 2, 2019.
Guest: Mayor of Nogales, Arturo Garino.
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| 0:00.0 | If you want to get into Nogales, Arizona from Mexico, you've got options. |
| 0:09.9 | As a matter of fact, Nogales is the biggest port in the state of Arizona and actually the model port of the state of Arizona. |
| 0:17.3 | We have five port of entries in our city alone. |
| 0:21.7 | Arturo Garino is the mayor here. |
| 0:23.7 | Says there's pedestrian walkway, a truck crossing, an airport. |
| 0:27.6 | We also have a crossing, a border crossing for cattle. |
| 0:32.0 | You have a border crossing for cattle? |
| 0:34.0 | Yes. Yes, we've had that for many, many years. |
| 0:43.1 | Garino has been the mayor under President Obama and under President Trump. |
| 0:47.2 | And while Nogales has only 20,000 people living on the U.S. side of the border, there are hundreds of thousands on the Mexican Sonora side. |
| 0:55.5 | We don't have a buffer zone like other states, you know, that the border is maybe a mile away from the town or the city or hundreds of yards. |
| 1:06.4 | No, our cities are, one street divides us. And in the middle of that street, runs the border. |
| 1:12.7 | Nogales's main street actually runs all the way to Mexico City. |
| 1:16.5 | So our corridor is a very, very busy corridor for trade and for tourism and everything. |
| 1:23.4 | The main, main highway, it ends in Nogales. |
| 1:26.9 | And that's why we're considered the Kanamex corridor, the American, Canadian, Mexican corridor. |
| 1:33.7 | And in the billions of billions of dollars of trade go through Noales. |
| 1:38.6 | And this is trade that's not only for the state of Arizona, but it's for the whole nation. |
| 1:43.4 | What I found so interesting is, like, you actually have the border wall that Trump keeps talking about. |
| 1:49.0 | You have those slats. |
| 1:51.0 | Yes. And we've had it for over 20 some years. |
| 1:59.0 | Like I like to tell everybody, we're actually a city of 400,000 divided by a fence. |
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