Welcome to the Conversations That Matter podcast. I'm your host, John Harris. We have a lot to talk about today.

Really, it's one thing, but there's a lot of material there. And it is the Wheaton College panel discussion slash, I don't know what you call it, an event. They had some presentations and then a panel discussion.

It wasn't a conference, though.

It was just one night.

But we're going to talk more about it.

I did a video or maybe a week or more ago now.

And I talked about the, I review the first part of this, the first presentation by a national security advisor or

former national security advisor, Ms. Newman, who I thought was fairly imbalanced, we'll put it that

way. She started talking about how January 6th and 9-11 are, you know, they're comparable and exaggerating

what happened on January 6th and then blaming Heartland Christians who listen to Rush Limbaugh

for carrying this out.

I mean, it was just, it was bonkers.

And of course, Wheaton College is a conservative, well, supposed to be.

I would argue it's probably not anymore, but supposed to be a conservative, evangelical,

you know, Orthodox theological seminary and a safe place for you to send your kids.

And alternative, this is the thing. Parents send their children who are now young adults to these places and they pay large

sums of money to the tune of tens of thousands, sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars.

And sometimes the students are paying themselves.

I mean, you know, that's what I did with my parents.

They helped pay for transportation. And I had, you know, that's what I did with my parents. They helped

pay for transportation and I had to, well, actually, what was it? No, they covered my tuition the first

two or three years. I can't remember. They helped cover my undergrad, but I had to pay for a gas. Anyway,

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