It is clearer and clearer to me that the entire gospel drama is lived out in your marriage.

And once you get that, it gives you a whole new way of thinking about how do we live together

in a marriage of unity, understanding of love? Let me explain this.

So here's the dark side of the gospel drama.

It's sin, selfishness, and idolatry.

If you would ask me why the trouble in marriage, I would say because we're sinners, that we, the most dangerous thing in my marriage is not that I'm married to another sinner.

I carried it in myself.

It's my sin.

Welcome to the Crossway podcast, a show where we sit down with authors each week for thoughtful

interviews about the Bible, theology, church history, and the Christian life.

I'm Matt Tully, and today I'm talking with Paul Tripp.

Paul is an author, a former pastor, and the president of Paul Tripp Ministries.

He's also the best-selling author of many books, including marriage, six gospel commitments

every couple needs to make.

Today, Paul and I discuss how the gospel comes to bear on the day-to-day realities of marriage,

and why that's more than just a platitude.

He reflects on important but sometimes painful lessons he's learned from decades of marriage to his wife, Luella.

He shares some of the most common marriage questions he's been asked over the years, years of teaching marriage seminars, and counseling hundreds of couples.

And he offers some practical advice for spouses who are struggling to communicate

in a way that honors God and each other. Let's get started. Well, Paul, thank you so much for

joining me today on the Crossway podcast. Oh, it's my pleasure to be with you.

So how long have you and your wife, Luella, been married?

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