Hi everyone, it's Kristen Hawkins and welcome to this new episode of the explicitly

pro-life podcast. I have a very special guest here live in person today, Kelsey Hazard,

founder and president of secular pro-life. I her on for a second episode um because i i felt

like this was such an important topic i didn't want to just gloss over it and just be done with it

i think this is something that we all have a lot of questions about i get obviously a lot of questions

about this but you are a foster mom i am and so um you could go back watch the first

episode I we did with Kelsey and secular pillow if you want to learn about second care life but

this episode we're going to talk about the foster care system because I get this question

every single time on campus well what about kids in foster care somehow all the kids in foster

care are justification for all the millions of abortions. It's completely sickening. But I get

this. It's every time. And it's somehow this justification for why we should keep the violence

of abortion legal. So I want to talk about the actual system as a foster mom what you've experienced you're also a lawyer

to give us some insight on like policies because we've been talking a lot about what are the

policies we need to be putting in place in a post rural America you know are there foster care

and adoption reforms we need to put in place but I also want to talk about your personal experience because

I think if you would poll like the students for life general body, vast majority of the young

people we work with would say, I want to be a foster parent or I want to be an adoptive parent.

Like they feel especially call to suicide, surprise, we love babies and care about, but humans, right?

Small little tiny humans.

But then there's like this gap of like, well, there's nothing really I can do.

I'm 20 years old, you know, how can I become a foster parent?

That's like when I'm way old after my kids have graduated college.

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