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Call Me Back - with Dan Senor

What Xi is learning from Putin's war - with Matt Pottinger

Call Me Back - with Dan Senor

Ark Media

Politics, Hamas, Society, News, War, Israel, News Commentary, October 7, Geopolitics, Palestine, Government

4.83.2K Ratings

🗓️ 12 March 2022

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

As Russia has become isolated globally, a senior Russian Foreign Ministry official was asked if Moscow has anyone left in its corner, anywhere in the world. Her response: “Of course, we have them. Look at the reaction of world giants. Those who do not pretend to be giants, but are real giants. For example, it is China. You can see this reaction, can’t you?” So what exactly is going on between Xi Xingping and Vladamir Putin as tensions escalate between Russia and the West over Russia’s invasion of Ukraine? How does this inform our thinking about whether we are, indeed, in a new Cold War -- and how we need to re-think our entire national security strategy, defense posture, and approach to global affairs? Russia’s experience in Ukraine – and the West’s response – is a laboratory for the Chinese Communist Party leadership to study as Beijing contemplates its next moves in this Cold War. To help us understand how China is interpreting events, Matt Pottinger returns to the podcast. Matt lived in and covered China as a journalist for Reuters and then The Wall Street Journal. Then, in his early 30s, he joined the US Marine Corps, and had multiple combat deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan. Later on Matt played an instrumental role in the geopolitical story of our time: reshaping the West’s relationship with China, when he served as the deputy National Security Advisor in the Trump administration, and was the architect of the administration’s strategy towards China. Today, he is regularly called upon by policymakers on both sides of the aisle, to consult on US policy towards China. Matt has been closely watching the evolving Moscow-Beijing relationship. He’s also just returned from Israel, where he gained fresh insights on what role the final negotiations over a new Iran nuclear deal factor into all of this. We discuss a lot in this episode – from Moscow and Beijing, to Tehran and Jerusalem, and even Caracas and Pyongyang, and how they are all tied together in Cold War II.

Transcript

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0:00.0

If I'm Vladimir Putin, if I'm Sijing Ping, I'm watching this engaging and say,

0:04.8

look, the Americans don't have the stomach for this.

0:07.2

As soon as gas prices go high, they start to ease off on maximum pressure campaigns. And we're tough tough men we talk a lot about struggle

0:16.0

C. Jing ping is always talking about how struggling against the world struggling

0:21.3

internally makes the party the Communist Party stronger

0:25.0

It makes the Chinese people stronger in his very Stalinist world view

0:30.0

And so you know for a few years of really tough sanctions are something that can be

0:34.9

weathered when it means expanding, you know, if that's the cost of expanding their

0:39.8

spheres of influence by invading their neighbors. As Russia has become increasingly isolated globally at a staggering speed, a senior foreign

1:00.9

ministry official was asked if Moscow has anyone left in its corner anywhere

1:05.8

in the world.

1:07.2

Her response, and I quote, of course we have them.

1:10.6

Look at the reaction of world giants.

1:13.0

Those who do not pretend to be giants, but are real giants.

1:17.0

For example, it is China.

1:19.0

You can see this reaction, can't you?

1:22.0

Close quote.

1:23.0

So what exactly is going on between Zijing Ping and Vladimir Putin

1:28.0

as tensions escalate between Russia and the West

1:31.0

over Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

1:33.4

How does it inform our thinking about whether we are indeed in a new cold war?

1:38.4

And how we need to rethink our entire national security strategy, defense posture, and approach to global affairs.

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