From KCRW, I'm Kim Masters, and this is The Business.

This week, film weapons expert and armorer Brian W. Carpenter offers his analysis of what went so wrong on the set of the Alec Baldwin movie Rust.

Well, the number one is the live round being on set. That never should occur. That would be the worst case scenario is to introduce

a live round, a live bullet onto a movie set that's using firearms. Aside from that, there's a litany of

mistakes on the side of the props department. Then you move to the fact that the first AD, apparently in what we're hearing,

Carpenter walks us through the circumstances that contribute to the tragic death of cinematographer Helena Hutchins.

And he shares this hope that this nightmare will push the industry to embrace certification and standardized training programs

for cast and crew members who handle guns on set.

He also explains how what happened on Rust

is different from the series of mistakes

that led to the 1993 death of Brandon Lee

on the set of the Crow.

But first, we banter.

Stick around.

It's the business from KCRW.

I am joined by my partner in banter. Matt Bellany. Hello, Matt. Hi there. So, the ongoing story of rust, which gets worse and worse as we learn more and more. We're talking about gun safety on the show this week, but through a lens of rust, which gets worse and worse as we learn more and more. We're talking about gun safety on

the show this week, but through a lens of business, you know, you kind of have to say to yourself,

what is this movie, which I was told was a $6 million movie, and what is Alec Baldwin doing in this

little movie? Many people have asked me that. And this is not the first movie he's made with

this set of producers. He did another one called Supercell. And earlier this year, he talked about

that with a colleague of mine at The Hollywood Reporter. And he claimed that this was about

storm chasers. And he said, yes, it was fun. But he also said that he doesn't want to work. And he has had six kids in seven

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