I'm Hannah Frye, and as we rely more and more on artificial intelligence in every facet of our lives and businesses,

I'm on a mission to find out how we can build the internet that AI needs. Learn more later in the podcast.

I think we're in for a tough couple of years. There's no sugar-coating it. I'm Phil Buchanan, the president of

the Center for Effective Philanthropy.

My co-host, Grace Nicolette and I are excited to bring you a new season of Givington Right,

the show exploring what it takes to be an effective donor in this time of unprecedented challenge.

This season, we're excited to bring you conversations that will help you navigate the current,

difficult context for nonprofits and donors alike.

A new season begins on September 4th, so be sure to subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.

Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, Radio News.

This is Masters in Business with Barry Rittoltz on Bloomberg Radio.

This week on the podcast, another extra special guest.

John Hilsenrath was a reporter for the Wall Street Journal covering everything from September 11th to the Federal

Reserve for 26 years. His coverage at the journal of the Fed got him nicknamed the Fed Whisperer

for his many, many page one scoops. He's now running Serpa Pinto advisory, multiple Pulitzer Prize nomination, author of a book about Janet Yellen, just a whirlwind of information about the economy, markets, and the Fed.

I thought the conversation was absolutely fascinating.

And I think you will also, with no further ado, my conversation with the Wall Street

journals, John Hilsenrath.

It is my extra special honor to be here.

Does it feel like you're in the enemy's territory, competitive juices flow?

No, I've crossed over.

I've crossed over.

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