This week we are lucky enough to be joined by the amazing Nicole Perkins from the podcast.

This is good for you. Nicole Perkins is a writer and feminist and thinker who I have admired

for a long time. She now has a podcast called This is Good for You where she celebrates women

doing things that are good for them and pleasurable for them. And that is the whole thing.

They don't have to be good and pleasurable and marketable or good and pleasurable

and sellable. They are like just good and pleasurable. She is also the author of the upcoming

memoir. Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be, which I have pre-ordered and you can pre-order

wherever it is that you pre-order your books. Given that hot and bothered is a space where we

are celebrating women's pleasure and romance, we thought that you would really enjoy this conversation

with Nicole about her favorite romance trope and then a little bit from her podcast.

I'm Vanessa Zoltan and this is Hot and Bothered.

So Nicole we're so excited to have you here today. I emailed you and was like I would love to

have you on to talk about one of your favorite tropes and you sent me a list of like 10 of your

favorite tropes. Yes, I'm sorry. It was it was overkill but also I was like I can't think right

now to like pick was so please just dealish choice. It was not overkill. It was amazing. Why should

you have to pick? That was rude of me to ask you to pick a favorite. It would be like me emailing

you and being like pick your favorite child. Like that's not nice. You're like you're all of my

children. You pick. And so one of the options that you gave was, and I'm going to quote the way

you say it, stuck in a cabin with no power, bonus, any kind of storm, extra bonus, a murder is

after them. Yes, I love romance thrillers so much. And I think the reason why I love this trope

is because it is something that I would never want in real life like ever.

First of all, can you explain to me the genre of romance thriller? I've never read a romance thriller.

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