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On the Media

What We Know About the Border

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4.68.7K Ratings

🗓️ 8 February 2017

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

A look at the suspension of rights at the border, murkiness of border policies, and lack of answers from the federal government.

Transcript

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0:00.0

This week, an ACLU lawyer named Hina Shamsi was detained by Customs and Border Protection

0:10.6

after returning from a work trip abroad.

0:13.6

As she wrote in a blog post,

0:15.6

Shamsi, a Pakistani national with a green card,

0:19.4

faced hostile questions from a border agent who wanted to know why someone with this passport would be working for, quote, an organization with American in its name.

0:30.3

The agent also asked her, she wrote, why she wasn't yet a naturalized citizen. There is no requirement of green card holders to seek naturalization.

0:39.9

In the wake of the so-called Muslim ban, stories of mistreatment at the borders of visitors

0:44.9

and U.S. citizens alike are everywhere. They are not, however, new.

0:50.5

In 2014, we spent an episode trying to shred the veil of secrecy that shrouds customs

0:57.5

and border protection, the huge police force guarding our borders. We know we have fewer

1:02.9

rights at the borders, but that's all we know. We don't know what rights we retain or how they're

1:08.2

enfeebled by CBP policies under the Department of Homeland Security

1:12.6

because we don't have access to that information. All we have are countless stories of

1:19.3

dehumanizing detentions and intrusions at the border that would seem to be unconstitutional

1:25.0

anywhere else. Since we didn't have and couldn't get hard numbers, we used stories.

1:31.2

The first, the one that started us on this quest,

1:34.1

was from former OTM producer Sarah Abdurman,

1:37.7

who in the fall of 2013 was headed back to New York

1:41.8

from her cousin's wedding near Toronto

1:43.6

when she was detained, along with a carload of family and friends,

1:48.0

for six hours without explanation,

1:50.9

by U.S. Border Patrol agents at Niagara Falls.

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