What We Have Learned

Past Due with Ana Marie Cox and Open Mike Eagle

Ana Marie Cox, Open Mike Eagle, and Andrew Steven

Business, Performing Arts, Arts, Society & Culture

4.6 • 6.4K Ratings

🗓️ 21 August 2020

⏱️ 30 minutes

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In this final episode of our “Converts” edition, we revisit some past episodes to see exactly what we’ve learned about how people do (and don’t) change their minds. What have we picked up from the a cop-turned-activist, a scientist who embraced mysticism, a conservative climate change advocate, and a onetime white nationalist who marched to say Black Lives Matter? The answers may surprise you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hi, I'm Autumn Recox, and welcome to with friends like these Converts edition.
0:12.2	This is the season finale for our Converts edition.
0:15.9	We took the idea of conversion experiences on this season because I know a deep down.
0:21.9	That's why people were first interested in this podcast.
0:24.6	Well, it's why I was first interested in this podcast.
0:28.6	It's become something a little different over time, but when I first came to Kirkwood
0:32.7	with the idea, the vision was that I would be talking to conservatives, to Trump voters,
0:37.8	and that the show would be part of the project that basically all of white liberal America
0:42.0	was interested in at the time.
0:44.5	What the fuck happened?
0:46.3	How could anyone vote for Trump?
0:48.4	And underneath those questions, on agenda, how can I get them to change their minds?
0:56.4	Four years into the Trump administration, it turns out that the answers to those questions
1:01.6	are not quite as interesting as we thought.
1:05.1	And we certainly didn't need a whole podcast to answer them.
1:09.1	What the fuck happened?
1:10.8	Barack Obama broke the Republican Party's brain, and its leaders decided that if a little
1:15.5	racism could help them keep their tax cuts, then racism it would be.
1:20.4	And then when an actual overt racist came along saying all the quiet parts out loud, they
1:27.6	couldn't do much about it.
1:30.0	How could Trump voters vote for Trump?
1:32.2	Well, white supremacy is a hell of a drug.
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