What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’
The Ezra Klein Show
New York Times Opinion
4.3 • 14.5K Ratings
🗓️ 28 April 2026
⏱️ 123 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | We've got an announcement before we begin the show today. |
| 0:03.1 | I'm going to be hosting a forum on housing and affordability |
| 0:06.1 | with some of the top California governance candidates on Friday, May 8th. |
| 0:10.1 | We're going to discuss why housing in California, my beloved home state, is so damn expensive |
| 0:15.1 | and what each candidate hopes to do about it. |
| 0:18.2 | The event is being co-hosted by the New York Times, Housing Action Coalition, |
| 0:22.3 | and the Turner Center for Housing Innovation at UC Berkeley, and the San Francisco Foundation. |
| 0:26.9 | Tickets are on still now, so get them while they're available. We'll include a link and a promo |
| 0:30.6 | code in the show notes. |
| 1:08.0 | Music I'm I'm It's been a little over a year since Derek Thompson and I published the book Abundance. |
| 1:11.5 | Now, the book didn't begin what I think of his abundance movement, |
| 1:19.9 | but it did mark a kind of kickoff of the idea as a both an object in the discourse, something people are fighting over and creating factional wars over, and actually something politicians |
| 1:25.4 | are claiming and trying to think through how they would turn into policy. |
| 1:29.7 | Actually, being part of us has been a bit of a wild ride on a bunch of levels. |
| 1:33.8 | It has created fights I didn't expect, opportunities I didn't expect. |
| 1:37.9 | It can be a very weird experience. |
| 1:40.3 | But I've been really wanting to come back to abundance. |
| 1:43.9 | Been a little distracted from it by the million things Donald Trump is doing. |
| 1:48.5 | But if this is to become something more than a synonym for efficiency, |
| 1:54.0 | if it's become part of a vision for a better world, |
| 1:57.8 | I think there's some success to build on, but a whole lot more that actually needs to be |
| 2:03.0 | done. So I want to have on some other folks from within this intellectual hot house to talk |
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