Hey everyone, it's Ben.

I know this is a surprise.

The next secret room episode isn't due for a week, and it's a good one.

Thanks to a DNA kit, Kayla discovered a secret that both her grandfather's took to the grave.

She'll reveal the questions he raised and their answers on her next episode.

But today I want to introduce you to a really special podcast that I love.

It's called, what was that like?

And just like the secret room, guess share intimate, personal stories.

Listen to episodes like, Evan was buried in an avalanche, Bill got a dreaded phone call,

or Jessica's kidnappers demanded $45 million.

The guest described situations they actually experienced, telling their stories firsthand,

it is gripping.

And the topics are varied, some are true crime related, like the one about a home invasion,

and others are lighthearted, like the one about the lady who sent a text message to the

wrong number, and then ended up marrying the man that she texted three years later.

I know the host, Scott Johnson, and he has true empathy for his guests, giving them wide

birth to tell their stories.

Scott and I are recommending each other's podcast to our audiences, and it's about time

because it is a perfect match.

Here people share their extreme experiences firsthand, with Scott Johnson, on what was

that like, available on any podcast app, or at whatwasthatlike.com.

Here's one of my favorites, Danny found a baby in the subway, and I'll see you on Tuesday

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