You know, it's not lost on me that many of us walk into a doctor's office only when something

hurts. After all, pain is one of the body's first and most primal ways of saying, hey, pay attention.

Something's going on here. Something is wrong. But the thing is, even though we all experience pain, words often fall short. Sometimes

we lack the vocabulary to truly describe what we are experiencing. The pain of burning your

hand on a hot pan that is not the same as a broken ankle. Even though we might say,

ouch, to both of them, a pounding migraine is different

than a suddenly dislocated shoulder. And chronic pain, which more than 51 million people experience,

that is really a completely different beast than the acute pain most of us are familiar with

when we, for example, stub our toe. Pain can be so hard to

describe. That's my point. And yet for so many people, it's a major part of their lives.

After years of thinking about pain, after treating pain, after seeing my friends and family experience pain, I've come to believe that talking about it and really digging pain, after seeing my friends and family experience pain,

I've come to believe that talking about it and really digging into it makes a big difference.

You know, pain has always been my ultimate teacher.

That's my friend, Rich Roll.

We've been friends now for close to 20 years.

He is a podcast host, an author, and an Ultraman who is no stranger to pain.

Like all of the transformations and changes that I've made in my life have been a consequence

of pain trying to tell me something and me refusing to listen and the pain growing more and more intense until whatever

pain I was experiencing exceeded the fear of making the change or doing something different.

Between the insane physical demands of endurance sports and then recently recovering from

spinal fusion surgery, Rich has been through a lot, but he's also one of the most resilient

and thoughtful people I know. And that's why I wanted him to join me on the stage the other night

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