Uncertainty right now is through the roof.

No one knows what's going on.

Business confidence is in the floor, consumer confidence is in the floor.

As a CEO, I'd be like, it's got to be the case that right now there's so much uncertainty, I'm better off just waiting a bit.

Yeah.

And if that's the case, they're not building factories, we're not spending money. There's actually a word for that.

They're not making stuff and we're not spending. It's called a recession. And I want to add

something. It didn't have to be this way.

On this week's more to the story, when will the chaos end? As Trump's brute force tariff agenda

upends the global economy, I sit down with Justin Wolfer's, one of the best economists today at explaining what the

biggest tariff shock in U.S. history means for you and whether it will push the country

into an entirely avoidable recession. Stay with us.

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I'm Al Lettsin, and I bet that you, like me, have been asking some increasingly urgent questions about the economy lately.

Maybe you've been looking at your retirement savings or rethinking a summer vacation or just buying groceries and, how long will this economic uphe will

last? Just two weeks ago, President Trump unveiled a sweeping wave of tariffs that roiled the

stock market and plunged consumer confidence. A week later, Trump reversed himself by announcing

a 90-day pause on many of those tariffs, but he continued

to engage in an escalating trade war with China. Trump argues that these moves are necessary

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