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What Trump’s ‘Pause’ on Asylum Decisions Means for the Bay Area’s Afghan Community and Beyond

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News, Politics, News Commentary

4.2726 Ratings

🗓️ 4 December 2025

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

The Trump administration has paused all asylum immigration decisions, affecting more than a million people, following a shooting of two National Guard members allegedly by an Afghan asylum recipient. It’s just the latest in a series of escalating immigration restrictions that, according to experts, now target both undocumented immigrants and people who have entered the U.S. legally. For Afghan allies who worked with U.S. forces, the policy shift has been especially jarring: visa programs are on hold and previously approved cases are now under review. We’ll talk about what these sweeping changes mean for legal immigrants, asylum seekers, and the federal agencies carrying out deportations. Guests: Joseph Azam, board chair, Afghan-American Foundation Nick Miroff, staff writer covering immigration, The Atlantic Karen Musalo, professor of law and director of the Center for Gender and Refugee Studies, UC Law San Francisco Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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From KQED.

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Welcome to Forum. I'm Alexis Madrigal. Regular forum listeners and just about everyone who lives

0:54.1

on the southern side of the

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East Bay, knows that there's a large Afghan and Afghan-American community centered in the city of

0:59.9

Fremont. Over the decades that global powers have tussled over their country of origin, many people

1:05.0

from that part of the world have come to the U.S. through a variety of programs, and an estimated

1:09.4

60,000 have settled around here.

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Obviously with the chaotic U.S. withdrawal from the country, the community has experienced

1:17.6

a lot of difficulty and strain over the last several years and now the Trump administration's

1:21.6

new stance targeting Afghanisilis and immigrants is threatening the community's newest members and overall status.

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Here to discuss the situation, we're joined by Joseph Azam, whose board chair of the Afghan-American Foundation,

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a non-partisan nonprofit focused on advocating on behalf of the African-American community.

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Welcome, Joseph.

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Thanks for having me, Alexis. We're also joined

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by Karen Musalo, who's Professor of Law and Director of the Center for Gender and Refugee Studies

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