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Code Switch

What Trump's fixation on 'white genocide' in South Africa tells us about the U.S.

Code Switch

NPR

Society & Culture

4.614.5K Ratings

🗓️ 4 June 2025

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

How the false notion of "white genocide" traveled from the political fringes to the Oval Office. The week on Code Switch, we're talking to a reporter who was in the room during a meeting when President Trump pushed this conspiracy theory on the president of South Africa. And we're digging into what Trump's fixation on white South Africans tell us about anxieties over white replacement here in the U.S.

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0:00.0

Support for NPR and the following message come from the estate of Joan B. Kroc, whose bequest serves as an enduring investment in the future of public radio and seeks to help NPR produce programming that meets the highest standards of public service in journalism and cultural expression.

0:18.8

Hey, everyone, you're listening to Code Switch, the show about race and identity from NPR.

0:24.5

I'm B.A. Parker.

0:25.8

And I'm Gene Demby.

0:27.0

Parker, I don't even know.

0:28.4

Do you still use X slash Twitter?

0:30.8

I mean, occasionally, but not really.

0:33.8

Yeah.

0:34.5

All accounts, usership on Twitter is way now.

0:36.9

And one of the big reasons for the Exodus is that Twitter a few years ago got rid of all the content moderation tools that kept people from being abused or harassed.

0:45.6

I mean, yeah, it's like this hydrant of racism and conspiracy theories now, right?

0:52.8

Yeah, it's really wild. For a little while in May, Twitter's AI even got in on this weird act.

0:57.9

So GROC, GROC is the name of the AI chatbot on X slash Twitter, and it answers prompts

1:05.5

for users.

1:06.2

So, like, you know, you ask it a question, it answers it by, like, aggregating information

1:10.4

or whatever.

1:11.4

But for a few days last month, when users asked it questions or gave it some kind of prompt,

1:15.7

it would just crash out and go on a weird tangent.

1:18.0

Wait, what kind of tangent?

1:19.8

This weird tangent about a conspiracy theory involving white genocide in South Africa.

1:27.7

So for instance, when someone asked,

1:29.4

where is this about a random picture that they asked GROC, right?

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