Today's episode of Diabolical Lies was brought to you by Joe Rogan, Riley Gaines, J.K. Rowling,

the German Nazi party in the 1930s, a 1912 archived edition of Ladies' Home Journal,

Senator Patty Mink, and the decade plus of sports trauma baggage that I will be bringing into the conversation today.

Today, Katie, we are talking about an unbelievably large moral panic taking place right now,

and it is trans athletes and women's sports.

Katie, what do you know about trans athletes and women's sports?

Well, as a kid who literally never once made a sports team, my stance on girls' sports is that actually only the puny and uncoordinated ones should be allowed to play.

It's not fair to women like me if people with actual athletic ability participate.

Discrimination is real and you are the victim of it.

That's right.

I actually shared on Instagram stories like a week ago a totally different plan for this episode.

I was planning on getting into this in like a super niche politico-wank way of like, why did the messaging work?

And then I did more research, Katie, and I realized that I had to zoom way out.

So what you're telling me is that what you found is that it was way dumber.

We had to go way dumber.

We're basically just going to solve this entire crisis today.

By the end of today's conversation, this is a promise, Sky Mommy Willing, if you are listening to this, by the end of today's

episode, you will no longer be worried about trans athletes and women sports. Okay, that is a diabolical

lies guarantee. And if you are still worried about it, please reach out to me and let me know why.

Okay, so that is like a promise I am making that I would rarely make about a conversation.

We are going to comprehensively cover this topic. Okay, yes, but are you going to give me sufficient one-liners

to use at Thanksgiving dinner when this subject arises? Big time, big time. Okay, great. Katie,

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