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From Pushkin Industries, this is Deep Background, the show where we explore the stories behind

the stories in the news. I'm Noah Feldman.

Ever since the 2016 elections, I've been kind of obsessed with the following thought.

We tend to think that Donald Trump got elected because his base of, in our imagination,

angry middle class or lower middle class, dispossessed white voters turned out in big numbers for him.

But that's only part of the story, because it's also true that if you look at people who voted for

Barack Obama but stayed home instead of showing up to vote for Hillary Clinton, 51% of those

voters were people of color.

That's a significant number, and it means that we could also frame things a little differently.

Instead of blaming the Trump voters for getting Trump elected, we could simply say,

why didn't Hillary Clinton manage to appeal to voters of color in the same way that Barack Obama did?

Now, that's a hypothesis and an obsession.

It's not a full-blown theory.

And I'm incredibly grateful that we have today to discuss this topic with us, Dr. Andre Perry.

Andre is the David M. Rubinstein Fellow at the Metropolitan Policy Program at the famous

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