Hi, it's Diane. On my mind, what to expect from Donald Trump's presidency.

I want to thank the American people for the extraordinary honor of being elected your 47th president and your 45th president.

During the run-up to the election,

Donald Trump made big promises about immigration, the economy, and foreign policy.

For a lot of Americans who think that you could get rid of the bureaucracy, get rid of

government, and all would be fine, they're going to discover what it does to the disruption in their

daily lives. You know the workings of the U.S. government as well as political scientist Norman Ornstein, a meritist scholar at the American Enterprise Institute.

He joined me Thursday morning to make sense of what we saw on Tuesday and what a Trump second term will look like.

Norm, considering the extent of Donald Trump's win, how surprised were you?

I was surprised by the extent of it, Diane. I thought we didn't really know what would happen. I was

not one who put much faith in polls. I don't at all now. I thought we had a range of outcomes that

included a very comfortable win for Kamala Harris, a nail-biting win for Kamala Harris, a close win for Trump

where he would lose the popular vote by a substantial amount but still prevail.

But the one thing I did not expect was that he would win the popular vote and sweep the

table with these swing states or contestable states.

I actually was feeling pretty bullish on Election Day for several reasons.

One is the turnout.

I thought that we would have a big edge in turnout from Harris because she and her campaign manager,

Jen O'Malley-Dillan, had put together the best turnout operation I've ever seen.

And the Trump team, Trump's daughter-in-law, took all the money that was supposed to go to turnout

from the Republican National Committee and used it for Trump's lawyers. And they put Elon Musk in charge. And it looked

like he was doing for turnout what he had done for Twitter. And then I thought that the October

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