Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the Find out podcast.

We've got today, you've got Tim, me, you've got Rich, you've got Zach, you got Luke. And we have a special guest because we decided we kept talking about all this legal stuff that we should actually bring on somebody that knows something about the law. So we have a we have Eliza Orleans who is a 15 year public defender in Manhattan and also was on not one

but two seasons of Survivor, season nine and season 16. So Eliza, thank you for joining us.

Of course. I'm so happy to be here with you. I mean, this is always a fun time when we're together.

Yeah. We all know each other from the sort of, I'll say it the creator. I can't say

influencer. The creator world and everything. So it's nice to finally talk in public. So

Eliza, so basically just confirm everything that ICE is doing is perfectly legal and we're all

overreacting and we don't have to worry about this, correct? Oh, yeah, sure.

Yeah.

So, let's just talk about this.

There's actually nine people, I believe, that ICE is now murdered.

There's some debate online because people have been focusing on Renee Good and Alex.

Pretty.

But there are actually seven others and we want to make sure that that is clear too that we are not sort of whitewashing because the reality is the other seven are mostly people of color.

So we want to make sure it's not two.

It's nine.

Eliza.

So let's talk.

The folks who've been murdered in detention.

Detainment.

Right, right.

So, trying to figure out the best way to start this off.

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