From the K-P-F-K studios in Southern California,

it's the Ralph Nader Radio Hour.

Stand up, stand up.

You've been sitting great to long.

In a state like Ohio right now, you see this heartbeat legislation being passed trying to stop abortion after six weeks.

This is not something that if you put to referendum in the state of Ohio would pass, but because

there are super majorities, unearned super majorities in Ohio's legislature, the Republicans can pass this kind of legislation without consequences

at the ballot box completely insulated from the voters.

Welcome to the Ralph Nader radio hour. My name is Steve Scrovan and the voice you just heard was that of David Daly, author of Rat Eft, the true story behind the secret plan to steal

America's democracy.

And he was talking about the effects of gerrymandering.

I'm also here with my co-host David Feldman. David, do you know how the term

gerrymandering originated? I believe yes it was Lord Eldridge or there was somebody named Jerry like...

It was a governor of Massachusetts Elbridge.

A salamander and a salamander.

Well he made this district look like a salamander and so they put those two together and they called it

gerrymandering from Eldridge Jerry.

Too bad he didn't make it look like a chameleon that way or would have switched from red to blue

Very good and we also have the man of the hour Ralph Nader. Hello, Ralph.

Is he still there?

Yeah.

Hello, hi you, Steve, David.

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