What This Pastor Did Will Haunt You | Psychologist Reacts to Jeffrey Zizz

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Hidden True Crime

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🗓️ 19 May 2025

⏱️ 97 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, we delve into the chilling case of Jeffrey Zizz, a convicted child molester and former pastor, who stands accused of the brutal murder of 82-year-old Marcia Norman in Olympia, Washington. Zizz, who had been hired as Norman's handyman, allegedly bound her, tortured her with a nail gun, and buried her remains beneath a shed he constructed. We explore the disturbing details of his past crimes, and Dr. John weighs in on the risks factors of someone like Jeffrey. For the full story episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pastor-turned-sex-offender-tortures-grandmother-with/id1521619380?i=1000708422846 https://open.spotify.com/episode/5qruPrQcGvt7byJcz1LiLR?si=FVWsybgHSKeRPXLaYUka2w About Hidden True Crime: What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	There's all this dehumanization, there's all this aggression, there's all this objectification,
0:06.0	there's all the stuff in his past that nobody's really picking up on.
0:13.0	And a lot of this starts moving over into sadism and sadistic stuff,
0:18.0	I think especially with a vulnerable adult.
0:20.0	Hello, Hidden Jams. Today we explore a chilling
0:25.0	case from Tenina Washington that has left both John and myself in absolute shock. It's the murder
0:32.4	of Marcia Norman, a crime unlike any I have ever heard of before. Before we begin, I'm Lauren Matthias, a journalist,
0:41.1	and at Hidden True Crime, we delve into the hidden motives of unfathomable crimes, along with my co-host
0:47.8	here, criminal psychologist, Dr. John Matthias. We also, side note, happened to be married,
0:53.8	and this podcast started because we decided to record
0:57.0	our dinner conversations that always included a discussion on crime. I covered this tragic case
1:04.4	in detail with an hour-long episode, and we recommend that you listen for full details.
1:10.1	A link is in the description of this episode.
1:12.4	Please check it out.
1:13.3	But for a quick summary, before we unpack this heinous crime,
1:18.2	Marcia Norman was an 82-year-old woman known for her vibrant spirit and deep community ties.
1:24.4	And on April 1st, 2025, she had dinner with her handyman and family friend,
1:30.8	47-year-old Jeffrey Ziz. That evening would be the last time her family heard from her.
1:36.4	Concerned by the sudden silence, Marcia's family visited her home on April 4th, and they found
1:42.3	unsettling signs, untouched medication, dirty dishes,
1:46.1	and her personal belongings left behind, bearing the worst they reported her missing.
1:51.5	Investigators quickly focused on Ziz.
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