There doesn't seem to be a very positive outcome here.

Again, we are talking about a company with more than a billion users.

This is like determining the fate of a monster tech company

that activates many of the same concerns that the big U.S. tech giants do,

whether it's Chinese owned or not.

Thank you. Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us, made in partnership with The Nation magazine.

I'm your host, Paris Marks, and this week my guest is a good friend of the show, Jacob Silverman. Jacob is a tech journalist and the co-author of

easy money, cryptocurrency, casino capitalism, and the golden age of fraud. He's also working on a new

book now about Silicon Valley and the political right. I'm sure you saw, but the U.S. House of

Representatives is considering a TikTok ban once again. They passed a bill

last week that would effectively ban TikTok if it gets passed by, you know, allowing the president

to designate it as a national security risk and then give it a certain amount of time before

it would have to sell or pull out of the U.S. market altogether. So in effect, it's a TikTok ban.

And so the question is, is this something that should be happening? Is the arguments that are

being made in favor of it, actually things that we should be buying? Are they credible? Arguments?

And what's the bigger picture here? What does this say about the U.S. role in the world and its

approach to technology? I thought Jacob was the perfect

person that have on to discuss that, because we can not only get into the nitty-gritty details of what

is happening in the U.S. Congress, but also talk about that bigger picture of, on the one hand,

what the U.S. right is looking at in regards to TikTok and what they hope to achieve by either banning it

or forcing a sale of it and whether that is in all of their interests and even the divides

that exist there between them. And then at the same time, how this effort to ban TikTok but also

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