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The Story

What the Salman Rushdie trial means for free speech

The Story

The Times

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3.91.6K Ratings

🗓️ 20 February 2025

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

The British-Indian novelist Sir Salman Rushdie has faced his alleged attacker in court, after he was stabbed multiple times in 2022 during a public lecture in New York state. Hadi Matar, accused of assault and attempted murder, denies the charges. The author is no stranger to threats: in 1989, Iran's Supreme Leader called for his death, after deeming his novel The Satanic Verses blasphemous. Will this attack on Rushdie, a symbol of free speech himself, threaten freedom of expression?


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Guests:

  • Will Pavia, New York Correspondent, The Times.
  • Robbie Millen, Literary Editor, The Times and The Sunday Times. 

Host: Luke Jones.

Producer: Samantha Chantarasak.

Further reading: Salman Rushdie trial: I was dying, author says as he recounts attack

Clips: BBC News, WION, CNN, The Daily Show, Cream Cakes, American Express, CBC News, University of Vermont.

Photo: Getty Images. 

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From The Times and the Sunday Times, this is The Story. I'm Luke Jones. I am in Chautauqua, so it's right on the sort of northwestern corner of New York State.

2:02.0

It's sort of on the end of a large, very long, frozen lake, and the whole place is covered in snow.

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Times journalist Will Pavia has been at the usually quieter end of New York State.

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In winter, it's almost completely empty. The houses all have these things on them that they call pyjamas. They cover up their frontages so they don't get

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