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Certainly we went through this debate in 2014 when Russia invaded and took over Crimea and parts of eastern Ukraine.

And there were plenty of discussions about how far to take the sanctions,

how aggressive to be in particular with unplugging Russian financial institutions from the international financial order.

But what you've seen over the course of the last week is really unprecedented.

And in particular from Europe where you have the unplugging of Russian institutions,

the targeting of oligarchs and leadership, and even the private sector now,

Steve, unplugging from their interactions, leading to what is, in essence,

the financial and commercial isolation of Russia, and very much putting at risk the Russian economy.

Where this goes next, we are in uncharted territory in the midst of a conflict.

Welcome to the bubble. This is your host Andy Slavitt. It is March 2, 2022 that voice you just heard was Juan Zoradi.

He is the former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury.

He is talking about the scope of Western sanctions against Russia.

And that's the focus of today's show is the war behind the war.

And we are going to talk with David from and get a really in depth on these sanctions.

And the consequences that they are likely to have on Putin's invasion of Ukraine.

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