What the Rooney Rule reveals about football, coaching and race in America
On Point with Meghna Chakrabarti
WBUR
4.3 • 3.9K Ratings
🗓️ 9 February 2022
⏱️ 49 minutes
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Summary
Three days before his interview for the New York Giants’ head coaching position, Brian Flores learned that the job was already promised to someone else. Flores is now suing the NFL. We talk about football, coaching, and race. N. Jeremi Duru joins Meghna Chakrabarti.
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| 1:05.2 | On Monday, January 24th, at 2.30pm, NFL Coach Brian Flores received a text from Patriots |
| 1:12.8 | head coach Bill Belichek. The text read, |
| 1:16.7 | sounds like you have landed. Congrats. Flores texted back, did you hear something I didn't hear? |
| 1:25.6 | Text from Belichek. Giants? Question mark. Explanation point. |
| 1:30.4 | Question mark. Exclamation point. Well, Brian Flores had been let go as head coach for the Miami |
| 1:36.8 | Dolphins just two weeks earlier. Fans were surprised because during the 10 years prior to Flores |
| 1:42.4 | his arrival, the Dolphins had posted just one winning season. But when Flores started coaching |
| 1:48.2 | in 2019, he quickly led Miami to back-to-back winning seasons. So, Flores, a 40-year-old head coach |
| 1:55.7 | touted for his defense certainly had the chops for another NFL head coaching gig. And in his texts, |
| 2:02.3 | Bill Belichek seemed to know that the New York Giants, Flores' hometown team, were going to offer |
| 2:08.3 | him the job. I hear from Buffalo and NYG that you are their guy. Hope it works out if you want it too. |
| 2:15.6 | Belichek texted. Well, that was a surprise to Flores because he hadn't even interviewed for the |
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