What the ‘no limits’ partnership between Russia and China means for the U.S.

Think from KERA

KERA

Society & Culture, 071003, Kera, Think, Krysboyd

4.7 • 910 Ratings

🗓️ 4 October 2024

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Russia and China have formed a “no limits” partnership, bonding them on everything from manufacturing to technology to military might. And a major factor in the development of that partnership is a mutual disdain for a U.S.-led world order. This hour, we’ll talk with a former U.S. ambassador to Russia and other experts about what the budding alliance between Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping means for American global leadership.

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0:00.0	During World War II, the old saying, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, neatly described the U.S. Soviet relationship.
0:18.0	Germany was a problem for both countries, so an alliance made sense.
0:22.2	80 years later, the Nazis are long gone, and so is the alliance, as is the Soviet Union, for
0:27.7	that matter. But another partnership has arisen, one in which Russia and China find common cause
0:33.4	in everything from manufacturing to energy production to the development of artificial intelligence.
0:39.0	The glue for that bond can be found in their common enemy. That, of course, is us, the United States.
0:46.1	From KERA in Dallas, this is think. I'm Chris Boyd. Both Russia and China detest the idea of a world run by America.
0:55.6	China sees itself as ready to take over as Russia clings to the idea of still being a superpower.
1:01.7	How the U.S. works with other regional partners in Asia and the degree to which our nation inserts itself into conflicts over Ukraine and Taiwan may determine whether or not the temperature
1:12.6	between the U.S. and Russia and China reaches a boiling point. So today, three experts.
1:18.7	John J. Sullivan is former U.S. ambassador to Russia and Deputy Secretary of State and author of
1:24.3	the memoir Midnight in Moscow. Dan Shulman is former president and CEO of PayPal,
1:30.2	and Ellen Bork is a foreign policy scholar and current fellow of the George W. Bush Institute.
1:35.6	I spoke with them recently in front of a live audience at the George W. Bush Presidential Center.
1:41.2	I guess I want to start by breaking the Russia-China challenge, this enormous topic, into some of its component parts.
1:49.9	Ambassador Sullivan, you have said and seen firsthand that Vladimir Putin doesn't just view the United States as an adversary.
1:58.2	He views the United States as an enemy. How does that shape the actions he's willing to take views the United States as an enemy.
2:01.4	How does that shape the actions he's willing to take against U.S. interests?
2:06.5	Well, it actually goes beyond that.
2:08.4	He contends and has for some time that Russia is at war with the United States.
2:13.7	It's a hybrid war.
2:15.2	It includes cyber activities, direct action in Western capitals,
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