What Next - What the John Bolton Raid Means
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🗓️ 27 August 2025
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Summary
John Bolton isn’t exactly beloved by the right or the left. But sending the FBI to raid his house fits a pattern: Either tell the president what he wants to hear, or face the consequences.
Guest: Shane Harris, staff writer covering national security and intelligence for The Atlantic.
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| 0:00.0 | I think it's time we acknowledge something on this show. |
| 0:10.1 | A growing consensus about the Trump administration. |
| 0:14.3 | Call the way Donald Trump fashions himself, whatever you want, would be dictator, an autocrat. |
| 0:20.6 | But an essential ingredient of what he's doing in Washington is straight up revenge. |
| 0:30.5 | This shouldn't really be a surprise. |
| 0:33.3 | Trump openly mused about revenge while he campaigned for a second term in office. |
| 0:38.4 | Shane Harris, from over at the Atlantic, he remembers it. |
| 0:42.6 | Oh, Donald Trump talked a lot about revenge in the 2024 campaign. |
| 0:46.9 | I mean, it was, I think the words that he would use sometimes in his speech where, I am your vengeance, I am your retribution. |
| 0:53.5 | How's that whole revenge plan working out for him? |
| 0:56.6 | It seems like it's going swimmingly. |
| 1:00.8 | Who Donald Trump wants revenge on is a broad category. |
| 1:06.3 | But for Shane, the most obvious targets are people who worked in government, sometimes for the president himself, and dared to speak out against him. |
| 1:16.2 | I mean, there have been, there's a long list of people who served in very senior roles in the administration or in the White House or who were cabinet secretaries who've come out and publicly said in so many words and sometimes explicitly |
| 1:28.5 | Donald Trump is not fit for office and he shouldn't be reelected president. Those people are |
| 1:34.2 | now finding that the administration at Trump's direction explicitly in some cases are taking |
| 1:39.8 | action against them that is designed to make their life miserable. |
| 1:49.9 | Breaking news just now, FBI agents have raided former Trump National Security Advisor John Bolton's Washington, D.C. area home early this morning. |
| 1:54.3 | Last week, it was former National Security Advisor John Bolton's turn to feel the misery. |
| 2:00.9 | My first reaction when I saw this going down was, okay, here we go. |
| 2:06.3 | Sources familiar with the search told CBS News it is related in parts to a classified |
| 2:11.4 | documents investigation. |
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