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The Mother Jones Podcast

What the Hell Is “Truth and Reconciliation”, Anyway?

The Mother Jones Podcast

Mother Jones

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4.51.1K Ratings

🗓️ 17 February 2021

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

House impeachment manager Jamie Raskin delivered a speech during Trump’s impeachment trial last week in which he made a direct appeal to reality: “Democracy needs a ground to stand upon,” he said. “And that ground is the truth." There’s a lot of demand for reckoning in America right now. Cities around the country are debating and in some cases instituting some forms of reparations for Black residents. Last June, Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Calif.) introduced a bill to establish a “United States Commission on Truth, Racial Healing and Transformation,” which has gained 169 co-sponsors. In December, even anchor Chuck Todd asked his guests on “Meet the Press” about the political prospects for a national Truth and Reconciliation Commission (TRC). The calls for a rigorous public accounting of Trump-era misdeeds reached a crescendo in the aftermath of the violent attack on the Capitol in January: the impeachment proceedings against the former president became, all of a sudden, the de facto court for establishing the reality of the 2020 election results, even as Republican lawmakers voted to acquit. It raised the fundamental question: How do we establish the truth, amid a war on truth itself? On today's episode of the Mother Jones Podcast, journalists Shaun Assael and Peter Keating share their deep reporting into the history of the "truth and reconciliation" movement, here and abroad, and what we can learn from its promises and pitfalls—presenting a realistic view of their effectiveness as building blocks for reality, rather than magic bullets. “There can be no reconciliation before justice,” Keating says. Keep an eye out for their written investigation, appearing later this week at motherjones.com.

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0:00.0

Big truth, energy, gacha, hem.

0:04.0

All right, this is the Mother Joan podcast.

0:08.0

I'm Jamila King in Brooklyn.

0:10.0

On today's show, where we go from here.

0:21.0

The Senate voted and Donald Trump was acquitted

0:24.0

for inciting an insurrection on the Capitol.

0:26.0

My late father, Marcus Raskin, once rode

0:29.0

democracy needs a ground to stand upon,

0:32.0

and that ground is the truth.

0:34.0

How house impeachment manager Jamie Raskin put it.

0:37.0

America needs the truth about ex-President Trump's role

0:40.0

in inciting the insurrection on January 6th,

0:43.0

because it threatened our government,

0:45.0

and it disrupted, it easily could have destroyed

0:48.0

the peaceful transfer of power in the United States.

0:51.0

Democracy needs a ground to stand upon,

0:54.0

increasing calls for truth and reconciliation.

0:57.0

But what do those words even mean?

0:59.0

Who came up with them?

1:00.0

Was the impeachment trial just a light version of that?

1:03.0

And most importantly, how is justice brought about

1:06.0

if you have the truth part of it,

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