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Runaway Country with Alex Wagner

What the Hell is Happening at the Pentagon? (with Sen. Elissa Slotkin & Ben Rhodes)

Runaway Country with Alex Wagner

Crooked Media

Politics, Government, Society & Culture, News

4.812.8K Ratings

🗓️ 11 December 2025

⏱️ 72 minutes

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Summary

Under the leadership of Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, the Pentagon is in disarray. From a lack of transparency on extrajudicial strikes in the Caribbean, to the Signalgate scandal, to kicking out the Pentagon press corp – this administration has put a leader at the helm who is both embarrassing and a threat to national security. This week, Alex hears from The Atlantic’s Nancy Youssef about what it’s like covering the defense beat without access to the Pentagon. She also speaks to Senator Elissa Slotkin, who has told service members that they are not obligated to follow unconstitutional orders, and been targeted by President Trump for doing so. Then Alex and Pod Save the World host Ben Rhodes break down what kind of reputational damage Hegseth is doing to America’s image abroad, and what dangerous precedents are being set for authoritarian countries to follow.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hey, it's Alex, and right now Starbucks workers are facing an uphill battle. After years of stonewalling by the company, baristas are taking action. They're going on strike to demand real negotiations and respect on the job. But while they're standing up for fair treatment, their bills, rent, and everyday needs haven't stopped. That's why we need your support. These workers are fighting for the things that matter most,

0:23.2

like fair wages, better working conditions,

0:25.6

and the right to organize without retaliation.

0:28.6

They're risking so much to make sure

0:30.4

that the voices of frontline workers are heard.

0:33.3

So send a message to Starbucks CEO.

0:35.9

I stand with striking workers and won't cross the picket line.

0:39.1

You can do that by going to the labor force.org backslash crooked.

0:43.7

That's the labor force.org backslash crooked.

0:49.0

Hi, everyone.

0:50.5

Defense Secretary Pete Hegeseth has had a brutal last few weeks. He reportedly ordered

0:56.6

the military to kill survivors of a boat strike in the Caribbean, which is a potential war crime.

1:02.7

He risked the safety of American troops, according to his own department's inspector general.

1:07.6

At least that was the conclusion of a report on Signalgate, the scandal Hegeseth himself

1:12.2

created when he shared classified details about military strikes in Yemen over an insecure private app.

1:19.2

And Hegeseth torched the First Amendment last month when he dictated new press rules at the Pentagon,

1:25.1

ones that led to the majority of the actual press corps being forced out of the building and being replaced with right-wing stenographers

1:31.6

posing as journalists. Man, time flies when you are completely unqualified to leave the

1:37.0

government's largest employer, doesn't it? Anyone could be forgiven for laughing at Pete

1:42.3

Heggsett's clownishness, but the reality here is pretty chilling.

1:46.3

The Trump administration's total disregard for the Constitution, as well as its brazen lawlessness in general, is extreme enough that some members of a co-equal branch of government, the legislative branch, have begun reminding people serving in national security and defense

2:01.7

that they can refuse illegal orders.

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